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| Christelle |
Posted: September 29, 2004 11:25 am
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Group: WINEST Guest Posts: 834 Member No.: 207 Joined: September 29, 2004 |
Hello !
About one year ago, my IQ was about 105. I've found a way to increased it gradually. I had the idea to do the same way I used to for crosswords. It is to make your brain thinking over items (of IQ test's ones, or other...) you haven't solved. You wait several hours or several days. You return to those items, and if you haven't solved it, you wait another time several hours or several days. If you haven’t solve them this time, you wait for another time, and so forth… Often, you can solve these sorts of items more and more quickly, and finish to find them during the timed time of the IQ test ! Then your IQ increase gradually. Today, my IQ is about 160. I've called this way the "Eureka Method". Christelle |
| rwill9955 |
Posted: September 29, 2004 12:35 pm
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Group: WINEST Guest Posts: 96 Member No.: 194 Joined: September 27, 2004 |
I really wish not to discourage you, but I have several serious objections as to what you are describing 1. An IQ of 105 in a naturally brilliant person is usually due to severe DEPRESSION or a neuro transmitter mess up in your brain. I have seen people with genius level IQs turned into average IQ people for a month by haldol, an anti psychotic drug which effectively is like putting cement into the ears of a musical composer. 2. A 2nd method of improving intellectual function is trepanantion. This is an EXTREMELY risky proceedure which you should NOT do yourself unless you have a doctor supervising it. Essentially, what is is based upon is the sometimes well known datum that a fair number of the population as they age do not get sufficient oxygen to their brain. DO NOT do this lightly. I could describe how it is done, but I really would not encourage people to do it, unless there is a serious oxygen deficit to their brains. 3. A 3rd method of improving intellectual function is to remove arterial blockage to blood supply to peoples head. 4. You can use enriched oxygen, provided AGAIN, that you are supervised BY a doctor. WARNING. Too much oxygen can also MAKE a person sick. Aside from that, unless the circumstances are along these lines, I cannot endorce what you are talking about as realistic. I wish you all the best in terms of using what you have effectively. But you should not kid yourself as to what you are facing. |
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| Christelle |
Posted: September 29, 2004 01:02 pm
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Group: WINEST Guest Posts: 834 Member No.: 207 Joined: September 29, 2004 |
:-) Hello !
You don't believe me ? Then try on yourself, AND YOU WILL SEE ! |
| rwill9955 |
Posted: September 29, 2004 01:38 pm
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Group: WINEST Guest Posts: 96 Member No.: 194 Joined: September 27, 2004 |
Christie, I have an IQ rated about 155 on the Stanford Binet level, which is good but not outstanding. 155-160. From what you are saying, it would be conceivable for me to raise it another ten - fifteen points. I find this mission impossible, unless I had been suffering from clinical depression. There is no harm in attempting what you are talking about and I may even do it. However, it would be unrealistic for me to expect any moves in the psychometric level which I have. I would be glad though to be able to use what I DO have more effectively, and you may be referring to a good way to make full utilization of my skill base. |
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| Chksioufis |
Posted: September 29, 2004 03:07 pm
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EPIQ Founder Group: Administrator Posts: 379 Member No.: 68 Joined: January 24, 2004 |
Dear Christelle ,
I don't think that you actually raised your IQ. You should have in mind that some people need more time on a test or whatever in order to analyze it , than others with the same IQ. For example , X can solve 30 items in the nvcpe-r in 4 hours and can't do better ever he keeps trying for months. And you can solve 30 items too , but in 12 hours. This is called a "slow genius". Einstein had an IQ of 160. Some scientists believe that this was not his true IQ , since he had been a slow genius. It is said that his IQ might even reach 200. We can't be sure about that , but it's a possibility. The fact is that you definitely didn't raise your IQ. I'm not an expert , but I think that this is your case. -------------------- |
| bigdowski_robert |
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Group: WINEST Guest Posts: 109 Member No.: 115 Joined: March 05, 2004 |
Christelle maybe your IQ was higher but masked by depression or lack of self-estimation or some other reason.
I know that seems very weird and people sometimes don't believe you. In the past 4 weeks I tryed to train my brain in memorizing things. I think I have some potential but was not conscious about it. Now when I focus on what I do, I am able to remember whole passages from Movie talking or citations from books. I had a great capacity to do it before, but now I do it more consciously and with more self-esteem. Maybe your 'Eureka'-Effect is in reality due to the fact that you focus better in IQ tests, and have a higher motivation to concentrate hard, and believe you can do it. In tests I was at the beginnig a bit disorganized and stressed, so I scored relatively low, like the 85 percentile, now I score mostly about the 90 percentile, because I am less stressed, I concentrate harder and try to follow the test through the end, I 'reread' & correct, and I tryed to apply new riddle-solving thinking. In Progressive Matrices in the beginning, I only counted lines, and stuff like that. Recently I try to apply new concepts, as mathemathical functions, or logics. I deduce and add parts in my head for example. And I try to decompose the complex images to parts. So if many lines or dots change in a Matrice picture, I try to find out how one line at a time changes. Many people panic too. If you ask people quite easy math problems on quiz tv series and they are nervous already, they don't think har enuff, and the word math makes them panic. I experience recently if I try culture-fair IQ tests on the Internet with solutions given afterwards, I can sometimes find out why the solution is what it is, with the solution. I can reconstruct the reasoning behind. Only if I would try it the first time, I would not come to the solution. I try to think more collateral, and get rid of my standard ways I look at IQ tests. Sometimes what happens to me, is that the psy who supervises the test says I am speeding, because I solve 'hard' puzzles and miss 'simple' puzzles. It's because I am always looking for complex solutions instead of accepting easy solutions. I experimented this at school too: at discussions or questions from the teacher some students had the same replies in papers, and I was searching "too far away". I think it has to do how my brain is wired... Hahaha... I am a complex person to handle with sometimes, and have a complex personality. But I am happy with how I am. As for 'speeding' it might be true sometimes. I know a psy, so I asked him to take a test with me, giving me only half the time. I speeded like hell, and was IQ 120 (like usually). My problem is that in the last 'hard' questions I am perhaps too tired and not strong enuff too solve the last puzzles... Next time I do the Mensa qualify I try to solve the first questions in 3/4 of the time and keep 1/4 too the last 6-10 Raven Progressive Matrices. I don't do the error to think I need only 28 items of 36 to qualify and try to solve a maximum of puzzles. The Mensa psy wouldn't answer my question how many items you need, and accroding to web infos I only considered the raw score without taking my age into the IQ calculus. So I lowered my expectations and would be happy with completing the 36 items, and hoping getting 28 right: I did no efforts with trying to solve the hard items, because I thought I had suffisent score ---- I added this the 4 October to clarify something: Maybe I formulated somewhat flabby my reply. So this might lead to misconception of what I called finishing the tests in half the time. The IQ tests where I score IQ 120 sd 15 with half the time, are basically IQ tests on the Net based on the Raven Progressive Matrices or similar visual items to be found (i.e. culture faire). The indicated time is 30 minutes or 40 minutes, but I tryed for fun to do them in half the time. For instance on Cattell test, I could impossible score still IQ 120 sd 15 in half the time. Impossible. I am not sure whether the time on the Net is an indicative time only or it is the prescribed time. I guess the goal is to complete in the indicated time, however. I never tryed untimed tests, as I have not the patience to do so. I guess I can relatively quickly find the accurate items in visual series. But I don't get above a certain upper ceiling. I think I am above the average, below high IQ, but I could maybe do a little better if I concentrated harder. -------------------- :Ultima Cumaei venit iam carminis aetas; :magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo. :iam redit et Virgo, redeunt Saturnia regna, :iam nova progenies caelo demittitur alto (Virgil)
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| rwill9955 |
Posted: October 01, 2004 06:31 pm
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Group: WINEST Guest Posts: 96 Member No.: 194 Joined: September 27, 2004 |
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| bigdowski_robert |
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Group: WINEST Guest Posts: 109 Member No.: 115 Joined: March 05, 2004 |
Interesting link rwill9955 It's a study between IQ and Maladjustment right? I would suggest you could post a summary in the 'Personal experience' section, where a discussion on studies on correlations between high IQ and some problems is being run. -------------------- :Ultima Cumaei venit iam carminis aetas; :magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo. :iam redit et Virgo, redeunt Saturnia regna, :iam nova progenies caelo demittitur alto (Virgil)
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| GrIQ |
Posted: October 11, 2004 09:43 am
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Dear friends,
Very interesting that approach discussing the example of Sidis. It is very reasonable exceptional levels of perception to be negative factors in the socialization and sociality expression of any gifted person. Of course, when logic stops, matters relative to character structure and aspects, emotions and personal experiences traumatic or enhancing to a socialization process can play their role and this role is indeed a significant one. In my point of view, motivation and intention is the most important regulating factor in the analysis of gifted persons' cases. Sidis was alone from the first steps he did, he was the one, the one with the charisma. How could that boy feel ready any time to share an experience with a said to or even better proved to be inferior to him? How could he ever love, feel, use his instinct when logic and perception everyday overflood his mind? And responsible for this single-dimensional development of his character is not only him..... -------------------- The GrIQ
Evangelos G. Katsioulis, MD, MSc WIN Honorary President Founder of the World Intelligence Network, CIVIQ, HELLIQ and OLYMPIQ societies ELLHNAS.com TheGrIQ at yahoo dot com |
| Christelle |
Posted: October 15, 2004 08:50 am
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Group: WINEST Guest Posts: 834 Member No.: 207 Joined: September 29, 2004 |
:-) Hello everybody !
I understand you are surprised by what I say. Then, I explain a little more. I had tried several IQ tests im psychologists when I was chidren and teenager, and I had always some IQ about 105. About one year ago, when I started to test my IQ, at the beginning, when the time of the tests was finished, I went to the answers (without thinking over the items I haden't solved). I had done like that for about 4 or 5 tests. And I had always IQ about 105. Then, YOU ARE RIGHT, WITH THIS METHOD, we CAN'T increase IQ. ----------------------------- But one day, I had the idea to do the same way I used to for crosswords, with the "Eureka Method". Then, my IQ started to increase gradually (110, 115...). I must say that my IQ had increase GRADUALLY, and not only in one week-end ! It took me about one year with a training of SEVERAL HOURS PER DAY WITH "EUREKA METHOD" to achieve to have an IQ about 160 ! I train myself not only with IQ tests, but also with others games (a lot of puzzles found on Internet, crosswords...). As far as IQ tests are concerned, I also do untimed tests. ----------------------------- Try on yourself... AND YOU WILL SEE ! |
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